www.watchmojo.com presents… A hurried countenance at the city of Istanbul, Turkey busted up into individual cordial details.
March 10, 2010
Travel Guide – Istanbul, Turkey
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Turkey is a great place – I love going there. The people are very friendly and the food is fabulous.
Comment by MissEgasMoniz — March 10, 2010 @ 2:37 am
your lucky that utkua gives you fuck and trya tell something u dumb. you keep watching istanbul videos, istanbul is ours anatolia is ours, and will stay ours forever. geek.
Comment by DontCoerceTheLimit — March 10, 2010 @ 3:28 am
Rhomios what the fuck ur talking about we live in these lands for like 1000 years and we WONT leave you watch istanbul videos and get jealous and jealous we wont leave it bro only chance is to kill us all if you got balls to do it
Comment by DontCoerceTheLimit — March 10, 2010 @ 4:17 am
@PATRIOTHS come here in istanbul and say that, lets see if you can live 5min more after saying that
Comment by DontCoerceTheLimit — March 10, 2010 @ 4:32 am
Maybe Anatolia is a peninsula, but in ancient times, it was far less settled and too big to be claimed by just one settle-group, which set foot on one part of it. Greeks settled first at the coast and, more over left their mark on those places with their culture by civilizising them,so that huge parts of Asia Minor became greek mortherland and were seen as that by the contemporaneous people in other parts of the Greek living world. other ethnic groups did the same in other parts of anatolia.
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 4:53 am
@Rhomios not centuries actually, Anatolia’s history goes as far as 9000 BC ! Besides, every ethnicity is a combination of others, just there were proto-greeks before greeks, those people are proto Turks. The point is, if you take invasion gives the right to someone call that place as homeland, Turks have it, if you say that one must be the first human settled that region those are Anatolians too. You cannot settle between two cities and say it was not discovered before, anatolia is a peninsula.
Comment by utkua — March 10, 2010 @ 5:22 am
Well, every ethnic group in Anatolia came from “outside”. The question is: Who settled first. If you have cities which were founded by Greek settlers like the whole ones I ve counted before, there is no really invading government there, but people who start a new government in a region, crowd it and mix with other people in those reagion so that they created Greek Asia Minor are not really invadors,unlike the Turks in Greece, but founders.
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 5:59 am
The situation of the Empire, you have mentioned, was the just the case during the the middle-byzantine century, in former times, the Empire was much stronger presented and even it it were as drastical as you told(which it wasnt, because even this region had fortresses and big cities) it does not mean that those areas werent christian at all.
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 6:30 am
Besides, there are lots of examples in which the ethnical assembly of large areas changed drastically because of wars, diseases,or simply settlement of other people in those areas (Western Europe during the Migration Period; Great Britain after the Norman invasion etc).
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 7:10 am
Dont you guess that the Turks you call the “ethnicalli indigenious population” is nothing but a mix off all those people who came during the centuries to Asia Minor? And I repeat: Greeks were the first settlers in large parts of Anatolia, so that THEY were the indigenious population, or at least mixed with those people who were there before.
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 7:28 am
@Rhomios No I am saying that it is not their **homeland** if they came from outside and settled down at some point under the protection of invading government. If you think that is wrong I guess you are also against the all population exchange took place between Greece and Turkey, and you should consider some parts of the Greece homeland of some Turks.
Comment by utkua — March 10, 2010 @ 7:56 am
@Rhomios Byzentines were effective in the est and north coastal line, their relation to inner Anatolia was just about collecting taxes, they even were not really reacted strongly to Seljuks since they thought them as a vassal state who takes cares of the population they do not control. After 1071 the clases between seljuks and byzentines are quite rare. You really can use some history books that is not located in your local church.
Comment by utkua — March 10, 2010 @ 8:38 am
@Rhomios I think you do not follow, Turks are not people come from somewhere else, unlike Greeks or others, they are culturally Turkified but ethnically indigenous population of the region. Unlike states, acutal populations do not change much, even migrations are minor factors here, since it is not an EMPTY land. We are talking about the one of the first places where agriculture stared here so the population boom took place in the earliest stages of humanity.
Comment by utkua — March 10, 2010 @ 9:11 am
So Anatolia was never completely christian at all? You dont know much about the Byzantine Empire, dont you??
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 10:07 am
Besides: Even If the Byzantines, who were Greek, controlled whole Asia, I talked about specific regions of Anatolia, like the West Coast and the North Coast.
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 10:50 am
And you say that those people didnt had the right to own this land, because they didnt took the culture of the invador? Why should it be turkish homeland, but not greek or armenian homeland, which had, following your argumentation an ethnical Identity with the turkificated people? The Greeks who were deported had inheritance by blood AND by culture.
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 11:06 am
When the Turks came and started to assimilate some those people, they became Turks, too. The others, who didnt asimilate, kept the culture they had on the land they lived on since centuries.
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 11:22 am
Greeks didnt came to a foreign land, they colonized a region which wasnt colonized before, like the black sea region. A few centuries later, there came persians, romans, galatians, kaukasians etc.
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 12:07 pm
@utkua Thanks for the enlightenment..
Comment by monkeymanojo — March 10, 2010 @ 12:43 pm
@monkeymanojo sorry to bring it to you, but Turkey was never completely christian at all, Romans tried to covert the population but failed. Actually muslims also failed too, but Seljuks managed to pull that using a fusion of Anatolian pantehistic bliefs and Islam, called Bektasilik, later ottomans forced sunni islam to have right on caliphate, Turkey is a really complex place, no question has short answers, as the poets say, “your mother eve is just new born child to me, I am Anatolia, know me ?
Comment by utkua — March 10, 2010 @ 12:52 pm
What happened to christianity in turkey? I am looking at this magnificent church the barbarians turned into mosque that’s so sad. I hope one day turkey becomes christian again just like it used to be. They country is so beautiful, the food is so tasty, the women are beautiful except that Islam thing is messed up. Elveda
Comment by monkeymanojo — March 10, 2010 @ 1:14 pm
@Rhomios ;So it is ok to come to foreign land and setlle down to call it homeland ? Greeks controlled and colonized even helenized some parts of Anatolia, but never had complete control in the region. That is why Seljuks easily started their own state and Turkification process. Besides helenization, turkification does not matter, inheritance is carried by blood, even Turks are culturally changed they are still the rightful owners of the land, the rest is just trash talk.
Comment by utkua — March 10, 2010 @ 1:40 pm
Are you really reading what I write or just start typing ? You are confusing adminstration with people, rulers change people don’t. mongol invasion ? are you high ? Mongols controlled west Anatolia for a short period after Seljuks came a thousand years ago. Anatolia’s population was 12 million historians believe at most 1 million people from Asia came. Nomad tribes does not suddenly change and settle and start agriculture, that tribes you mention are still nomads, Turks never were.
Comment by utkua — March 10, 2010 @ 1:44 pm
Besides: Some of the biggest Greek cities ever were in Asia Minor: Smirna, Hallicarnassos, Kaisaria, Trapezunta…those cities were founded, not taken, by Greeks, which wastheir homeland until they were expelled.
Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 2:37 pm
Turks are an asian Nomad ethnic groupto find in Aserbaidsan, TURKmenistan,Kasachstan etc.) which came to west during the Mongolian invasion. You are right that most of the turkish population today has no “turkish” origin. Most are descendads of people who got assimilated by the ottomans and became turks,too. That still does not mean that Asia Minor was Greek motherland for 3000 years
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Comment by Rhomios — March 10, 2010 @ 2:43 pm